Hey these are great. I bought the black ones with the velcro logos and they ALL can come off, so that's what I did. It has a black on black fila logo in one spot and it's very inconspicuous, so these are great for me. I work as a stagehand, need black on black with no logos and these are it baby. I got them for $49. That's why I chose them, if you want actual triple black that's available too but they seem to usually be $79 - $120 : so the velcro ones were a bargain